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February 20, 2008
More on Noise - Can a Developer Be Held Responsible?
Just today, during my HOACHAT at noon on issues including noise and hard surface floors (which is a free offering you can join on Wednesdays through my website at http://www.californiacondoguru.com) one of the "attendees" asked: "Can a developer have responsibility when there are noise issues through the walls and floors of a condo?
Noise is a problem in many stacked and wall-to-wall condos. Sometimes alternations and modifications are made by owners in condos that were not meant for hard surface floors. But that is for another blog.
Sometimes a developer will tell you that space is left between the walls of the adjoining condos and that reduces the noise (well, sometimes they will say it eliminates noise transmission but I think that anyone - including me - that has lived in such a condo situation and fell for that line knows better). Sometimes the developer will say, "Sure choosing the laminate flooring upgrade is fine because we add soundproofing," and you think - "Great!" ... And you buy, ... and then experience - "not so great results." I wrote an earlier blog suggesting that the extra money developers collect for installing laminate or hardwood floors in stacked units or townhouses should be placed into a fund to be used later to mediate flooring noise issues. Maybe this sounded like a "flip" comment, but ... why not?
And the answer of course is "Yes", a developer can have some responsibility. And that is apparently what happened in a Colorado case back in 2005. The case took place in Arapahoe County Colorado and it is reported that some of the residents were awarded punitive damages against the developer (as much as $150,000 each, plus costs of trial) and others settled with the developer before the matter came to trial. The owners' attorney's name as reported is David TeSelle. The articles say that the developer had to outfit units with soundproofing materials
I am not representing that this case controls anything in the legal arena, and there is always more to anything than meets the eye. If there were lots of big cases granting damages for noise pollution, builders and architects would have moved noise control to the top of the list of concerns. It does not appear to me that this has occurred, because the noise complaints continue to rage all around the state and in fact, in the nation. I have not located appellate level cases on this subject but feel free to send me some if you read this and know of some so I can add them to my musings.
But I am saying take heart, anyone can be sued for anything, and (hopefully) in matters that escalate to litigation, the culbable party or parties will be "outed" and have to compensate those that are wronged or taken advantage of. I am a California attorney and do not know Colorado law, or the particulars in the Arapahoe County case; however, further research could be done if one wanted to find out more.
My point in discussing this case and this topic is to say that developers need to get on board. And owners need to speak up, to the developer, to the homeowners association, and to each other, if there are noise issues in your building (unless, of course, you want to "move out quietly").
If you visit http://rismedia.com you can find an article about buyers and sellers combatting noise issues, and the gist of the article is that condo builders and architects should take heed. Certain building design and construction is critical if one wants to seriously reduce or eliminate noise transmission between the units.
The article says that while developers or architects might at first refuse to make noise isolation issues a priority because of the cost, they may come to their senses the next time around and spend the money, if they are plagued with complaints from the residents of a building they were responsible for. The article acknowledges that "Quiet does not happen by accident, it has to be engineered ..." and suggests that when you are thinking of buying a condo, it makes sense to set up a sound test, like making sure the neighboring toilets are flushed, the jacuzzi tub next door is filled (and I assume the jets are turned on), the neighbors walk around in their usual foot attire, and run televisions and sound systems.
Nice thought, but it could certainly slow down sales, in more ways than one, especially if potential buyers are given access to current resident neighbors. Short of such a comprehensive test, I think it wise to make sure you have the opportunity to go into a unit during the day, and at night as well, that is next door to a condo with active kids, even if it is not the one you are slated to buy. There is a probably a very good reason that "models" are often built close together and often isolated from the "inhabited" condos or townhouses.
Is it fair to expect a noise-pollution free environment in a condo or townhome? Maybe, if you are willing to pay a premium for it, but in most cases, probably not. But it should be fair to expect that you will not hear the neighbors whispering, talking at low volume, getting a drink of water, having sex, watching TV at a reasonable volume level. If you want more protection, ask developers about the construction of the walls, floors, and ceiling, and whether there is any vibration reducing construction, and write it down, and then talk to an accoustic specialist. This bit of information might help you if you want some more comprehensive research before buying. And accoustics specialists can also be located on the web.
Noise isolation and control may be moving up the priority list of amenities, and well it should. New technology encourages wall mounted window sized TVs, and surround sound systems.
Noise disputes are never easily resolvable, and they make people do things they would not otherwise ever consider doing! And worst of all, they make people sick! If you do not believe me, visit http://newscientist.com and read the articles including one entitled "Hidden Harm from Noise Pollution". In the article which appears in issue 2365 of the New Science magazine, December 22, 2007, the article claims: "Noise kills in much the same way as chronic stress does, by causing an accumulation of stress hormones, inflammation and changes in body chemistry that eventually lead to problems such as impaired blood circulation and heart attacks."
Now, don't get me wrong because while I am saying that noise pollution or transmission disturbances in condos and townhomes can be insidious and must be taken seriously, I also believe that all parties should work toward resolving the issues by means other than litigation. Just because there is noise, and just because it is disturbing, that does not mean there will be big bucks in your future. Visit earlier blogs to help sort out how culpability might be determined, and do not expect that this will be the last blog on the subject.
Posted by Beth Grimm at February 20, 2008 8:54 PM